arXiv Machine Learning

The Ephemeral Cost of Switching Optimizers Across LLM Training Stages

The study investigates whether switching optimizers between pretraining and subsequent training stages of large language models (LLMs) incurs a performance penalty. By pretraining 1.2B Llama‑3 models with varying proportions of AdamW and Muon updates, and interpolating between the two during continued pretraining and supervised fine‑tuning (SFT), the authors find little evidence of a meaningful optimizer mismatch penalty. The results show that final performance is largely determined by the independent effects of the pretraining and post‑training optimizers, with downstream performance generally improving as the proportion of Muon updates during SFT increases, and that Muon remains competitive with AdamW even for task‑general SFT on larger models.

arXiv AI
4d ago

When Does Muon Actually Win? A Paired Data-, Time-, and Tuning-Budget Benchmark

The paper evaluates Muon, a data‑efficient optimizer, against AdamW on a single A100 GPU across 17.7M‑ and 33.6M‑parameter causal language models and a 2.70M‑parameter vision transformer. Using a 23‑candidate development budget and five matched seeds, Muon consistently reduces validation‑loss area under the curve by 3.25–22.44% and lowers test loss in all 20 primary pairs, while AdamW outperforms Muon on language tasks by 3.38–6.96%. Muon’s full optimizer call consumes 56.1–69.6% of training time versus 6.1–9.1% for AdamW, and it shows higher expected regret under restricted candidate pools, indicating trade‑offs between data efficiency and computational cost for small models with reference kernels.

By Mushir Akhtar, Hazem N. Nounou, Majdi Mansouri, Mohamed N. Nounou
arXiv Machine Learning
Oct 5

The Conflict Between Logic and Memory: Training Conditions for Optimizer-Dependent Rule Acquisition

The paper investigates how different optimizers acquire distinct generalizing relations in single‑hidden‑layer ReLU networks. By manipulating nuisance‑connected weights and performing a strict‑parity sweep, the authors show that training conditions reshape both shared failures and relative optimizer advantages, with specific interventions improving accuracy on hard stages. The study also compares optimizer behavior across tasks and an external architecture (CIFAR‑10).

By Gongyue Zhang, Honghai Liu
arXiv Machine Learning
Sep 2

Variance-Adaptive Muon: Pre-Orthogonalization Variance Modulation for Efficient Language Model Pretraining

The paper introduces two variance‑adaptive variants of the Muon optimizer—Muon‑NSR and Muon‑VS—for language model pretraining. Both methods incorporate gradient‑variance information into Muon’s orthogonalization process without adding extra hyperparameters, preserving its spectral normalization structure. Experiments on Llama‑style and GPT‑2 models ranging from 125 M to 1.2 B parameters show that these variants outperform well‑tuned Muon baselines and achieve up to a 1.33× step‑to‑target speedup on Llama‑1.2B.

By Jingru Li, Yibo Fan, Huan Li
arXiv Machine Learning
Sep 7

Optimizer Memory Schedules for Outscaling the Overtraining Axis

The paper studies how different optimizers perform as training duration (overtraining) increases, focusing on matrix‑preconditioned methods (Muon, SOAP) and a momentum‑scheduled method (ADANA) compared to AdamW. Across models ranging from 51M to 253M parameters and overtraining factors up to 256×, the authors find that optimal learning‑rate schedules, weight‑decay coefficients, and memory settings shift with horizon, and that ADANA consistently outperforms AdamW, especially with log‑time weight decay and momentum cooldown. Muon and SOAP maintain roughly constant token‑efficiency advantages, with SOAP potentially improving at the highest overtraining levels.

By Katie Everett, Shikai Qiu
arXiv Machine Learning
Sep 22

Muon Can Outperform Dedicated Continual Learning Methods

arXiv:2609.24678v1 Announce Type: new Abstract: Continual learning with Low-Rank Adapters (LoRA) typically mitigates forgetting by penalizing the overlap between a new update and the accumulated past...

By Sebastian George Sincari (Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania), Bogdan Alexandru Gheorghe (Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania), Antonio Barbalau (Bitdefender, Bucharest, Romania)
arXiv AI
Aug 25

A Physical Response-and-Memory Model for Muon Optimization

The paper introduces a physical response-and-memory model for the Muon optimizer, explaining its semi‑orthogonalized momentum update as the maximally dissipative direction under an output‑side safety budget. It treats the weight matrix as a responsive medium with internal stress, showing that momentum corresponds to accumulated stress whose relaxation occurs over multiple timescales—fast and slow. Based on this, the authors propose the Bi‑Maxwell optimizer, which uses a two‑timescale memory kernel and achieves target loss in fewer steps on a public large‑language‑model benchmark.

By Yinze Hu, Hongjun Xiang, Xingao Gong, Hongyu Yu
arXiv AI
Oct 5

OptiSelect: How does the Optimizer Shape Data Curriculum?

OptiSelect is a framework that incorporates the optimizer’s effect into online data selection for large language model pretraining. The study shows that optimizers like Lion and Muon, which use sign-based or polar-tangential preconditioners, suffer from a discriminability collapse that limits selection gains, whereas diagonal‑adaptive optimizers such as AdamW and Sophia can achieve higher gains. Experiments on 124M and 720M models confirm the theory and demonstrate that OptiSelect remains effective even when data is rephrased.

By Simin Fan, Alireza Abdollahpoorrostam, Martin Jaggi
arXiv Machine Learning
Aug 27

Spectral Allocation: Why Muon Outperforms Adam, and How to Improve Muon

The paper investigates why the orthogonal optimiser Muon outperforms Adam in large language model pretraining by analysing the spectral properties of Transformer loss landscapes. It finds that Muon’s momentum buffers exhibit an anisotropic spectral profile with a volatile head and a tolerant bulk, enabling larger effective step sizes. Building on this insight, the authors propose Spectral‑Aware Muon (SAMuon) and a lightweight variant, which adjust the bulk scaling while keeping the head unchanged, achieving 13–24 % fewer training tokens than Muon without extra FLOPs.

By Xiaodong Wu, Wenyi Yu, Chao Zhang, Philip Woodland