arXiv AI By Han Wang, Zhitao Wang, Natalia Frumkin, Xuanwu Yin, Alireza Khodamoradi, Dong Li, Emad Barsoum

Training an MoE LLM in MXFP4: How We Closed the Gap to BF16

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The paper introduces ALTO, an open‑source training recipe that enables a 20‑billion‑parameter mixture‑of‑experts LLM (GPT‑OSS‑20B) to train on the MLPerf Small MoE benchmark using the MXFP4 sub‑8‑bit format. By combining hybrid 1D/2D block quantization, randomized Hadamard transforms, stochastic rounding, and a simplified weight de‑oscillation scheme, the authors achieve a validation loss of 3.3350 after 16,128 steps—only 0.007 above the BF16 baseline—while reducing the FP4 convergence overhead from +20.0% to +5.0% relative to BF16. The study also reports negative results for differential gradient estimation, outlier clipping, and macro‑block scaling, despite operator‑level SNR improvements, and notes that the experiments use simulated MXFP4 kernels on AMD MI300 hardware without wall‑clock optimization.

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